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Survey says 80% officials promoted during corrupt office term
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Hector Fernandez who made fake 100$ US notes in Argentina , known as the Artist sold 10 million US$ fake notes to banks
2012-10-19 23:07:19 UTC
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interesting reading



Corrupted officials tended to stay long because they
have the cash to pay off other officials who might report on
them ,
in the same ministry or in same same office .


it takes 9 years for a corrupted official to be dismissed ,

enough time to make adequate Money to retired with .
Survey says 80% officials promoted during corrupt office term
2012-10-19 03:57:11 GMT2012-10-19 11:57:11(Beijing Time)  SINA.com
By Zhao Wei, Sina Englishhttp://english.sina.com/china/2012/1018/517944.html
After sampling provincial and ministerial level officials who were
dismissed from their post in the last decade, a study finds 80% of
them were still promoted after the first corruption case.
Most of corruption cases occurred in the fields of economy and
politics, selling and buying official positions as the main corruption
in the political field alone, according to an investigation by Tu
Qian, a master degree student of Institute of Contemporary Chinese
Politics, Shenzhen University.
The 72 sample cases have been covered by the mainstream media and
other government documents, such as People's Daily Online, Xinhua.net,
etc., as well as the Annual Work Report of China's Supreme People's
Procuratorate, Annual Work Report of the Supreme People's Court, and
public information of all levels of discipline inspection.
According to Tu's study, most of the corrupt officials, or about 70%,
are of vice-ministerial level. Among them, 31 officials were at age of
56 to 62 when they were checked and punished, accounting for 43.1%,
while 19 officials were at age of 49 to 55.
By analyzing 55 sample cases that can trace the time span for
corruption, it was found that 21 case have a time span of over 10
years, which takes up 38%, and 25 cases have a corruption time span
from 5 to 9 years, accounting for 16%.
The average time span of corrupt office is 8.5 years, which means
their first corruption case was not revealed until almost 9 years
later.
rst9
2012-10-19 23:36:06 UTC
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On Oct 19, 4:07 pm, "Hector Fernandez who made fake 100$ US notes
in Argentina , known as the Artist sold 10 million US$ fake notes
Post by Hector Fernandez who made fake 100$ US notes in Argentina , known as the Artist sold 10 million US$ fake notes to banks
interesting reading
Corrupted  officials   tended  to  stay  long because  they
have the  cash  to pay  off   other officials  who  might  report  on
them  ,
in the  same  ministry or in same  same  office .
it  takes  9  years  for  a  corrupted  official  to  be  dismissed ,
enough   time  to  make  adequate   Money  to  retired  with .
And enjoy the rest of his life in America or Canada.
Hector Fernandez who made fake 100$ US notes in Argentina , known as the Artist sold 10 million US$ fake notes to banks
2012-10-20 07:29:15 UTC
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WHO with a decent working mind ,
wants to live in the USA ?




you tell me .

Canada is another case .
On Oct 19, 4:07 pm, "Hector  Fernandez who  made fake 100$ US  notes
in  Argentina , known  as the  Artist sold  10 million US$ fake notes
Post by Hector Fernandez who made fake 100$ US notes in Argentina , known as the Artist sold 10 million US$ fake notes to banks
Corrupted  officials   tended  to  stay  long because  they
have the  cash  to pay  off   other officials  who  might  report  on
them  ,
in the  same  ministry or in same  same  office .
it  takes  9  years  for  a  corrupted  official  to  be  dismissed ,
enough   time  to  make  adequate   Money  to  retired  with .
And enjoy the rest of his life in America or Canada.
rst0
2012-10-20 16:05:26 UTC
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On Oct 20, 12:29 am, "Hector Fernandez who made fake 100$ US notes
in Argentina , known as the Artist sold 10 million US$ fake notes
WHO  with  a decent  working  mind  ,
 wants  to live in the  USA  ?
you tell  me  .
Canada   is  another   case .
Chinese people think the U.S. is heaven, the place to be with money!!!
when does a Chinese deny a Chinese is a Chinese , ? when a Chinese claims to be a Malaysian
2012-10-20 19:16:28 UTC
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other Chinese prefer Australia



many go to Spain , where Chinese underground groups were
rounded
up by police operating underground banks in Spain .
On Oct 20, 12:29 am, "Hector  Fernandez who  made fake 100$ US  notes
in  Argentina , known  as the  Artist sold  10 million US$ fake notes
WHO  with  a decent  working  mind  ,
 wants  to live in the  USA  ?
you tell  me  .
Canada   is  another   case .
Chinese people think the U.S. is heaven, the place to be with money!!!
Hector Fernandez who made fake 100$ US notes in Argentina , known as the Artist sold 10 million US$ fake notes to banks
2012-10-20 20:00:19 UTC
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some Chinese have bought 100US$ notes from me ,

I only make 30 uS cents on a 100 US$ bill .



Oct 21, 2:16 am, "when does a Chinese deny a Chinese is a
Chinese , ? when a Chinese claims to be a Malaysian"
other Chinese prefer  Australia
many  go to  Spain , where   Chinese  underground    groups  were
rounded
up  by  police  operating   underground  banks  in  Spain .
On Oct 20, 12:29 am, "Hector  Fernandez who  made fake 100$ US  notes
in  Argentina , known  as the  Artist sold  10 million US$ fake notes
WHO  with  a decent  working  mind  ,
 wants  to live in the  USA  ?
you tell  me  .
Canada   is  another   case .
Chinese people think the U.S. is heaven, the place to be with money!!!
Zanzibar
2012-10-20 09:41:10 UTC
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On Oct 19, 4:07 pm, "Hector  Fernandez who  made fake 100$ US  notes
in  Argentina , known  as the  Artist sold  10 million US$ fake notes
Post by Hector Fernandez who made fake 100$ US notes in Argentina , known as the Artist sold 10 million US$ fake notes to banks
Corrupted  officials   tended  to  stay  long because  they
have the  cash  to pay  off   other officials  who  might  report  on
them  ,
in the  same  ministry or in same  same  office .
it  takes  9  years  for  a  corrupted  official  to  be  dismissed ,
enough   time  to  make  adequate   Money  to  retired  with .
And enjoy the rest of his life in America or Canada.
Why only America or Canada?
rst0
2012-10-20 16:03:41 UTC
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Post by Zanzibar
On Oct 19, 4:07 pm, "Hector  Fernandez who  made fake 100$ US  notes
in  Argentina , known  as the  Artist sold  10 million US$ fake notes
Post by Hector Fernandez who made fake 100$ US notes in Argentina , known as the Artist sold 10 million US$ fake notes to banks
Corrupted  officials   tended  to  stay  long because  they
have the  cash  to pay  off   other officials  who  might  report  on
them  ,
in the  same  ministry or in same  same  office .
it  takes  9  years  for  a  corrupted  official  to  be  dismissed ,
enough   time  to  make  adequate   Money  to  retired  with .
And enjoy the rest of his life in America or Canada.
Why only America or Canada?
The U.S and Canada are the haven of Chinese stolen money!!!!
Zanzibar
2012-10-20 16:18:12 UTC
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Post by rst0
Post by Zanzibar
On Oct 19, 4:07 pm, "Hector  Fernandez who  made fake 100$ US  notes
in  Argentina , known  as the  Artist sold  10 million US$ fake notes
Post by Hector Fernandez who made fake 100$ US notes in Argentina , known as the Artist sold 10 million US$ fake notes to banks
Corrupted  officials   tended  to  stay  long because  they
have the  cash  to pay  off   other officials  who  might  report  on
them  ,
in the  same  ministry or in same  same  office .
it  takes  9  years  for  a  corrupted  official  to  be  dismissed ,
enough   time  to  make  adequate   Money  to  retired  with .
And enjoy the rest of his life in America or Canada.
Why only America or Canada?
The U.S and Canada are the haven of Chinese stolen money!!!!
But the thing is that the US and Canada had always been pretty advance
and strict in preventing laundry money from entering their country.

Their FBIs can catch anyone entering from abroad with stolen money. So
given their high tech control, it is impossible to have such entry of
stolen money entering the US and Canada, unless they shipped cash in
luggages.

So I think, very likely, the preference of money launderer will not be
parked in Canada or US, but will be parked in Asia because it is more
convenience and many countries in Asia are third world condition with
easy and old and weak control systems in place.
rst0
2012-10-20 16:27:45 UTC
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Post by Zanzibar
Post by rst0
Post by Zanzibar
On Oct 19, 4:07 pm, "Hector  Fernandez who  made fake 100$ US  notes
in  Argentina , known  as the  Artist sold  10 million US$ fake notes
Post by Hector Fernandez who made fake 100$ US notes in Argentina , known as the Artist sold 10 million US$ fake notes to banks
Corrupted  officials   tended  to  stay  long because  they
have the  cash  to pay  off   other officials  who  might  report  on
them  ,
in the  same  ministry or in same  same  office .
it  takes  9  years  for  a  corrupted  official  to  be  dismissed ,
enough   time  to  make  adequate   Money  to  retired  with .
And enjoy the rest of his life in America or Canada.
Why only America or Canada?
The U.S and Canada are the haven of Chinese stolen money!!!!
But the thing is that the US and Canada had always been pretty advance
and strict in preventing laundry money from entering their country.
Their FBIs can catch anyone entering from abroad with stolen money. So
given their high tech control, it is impossible to have such entry of
stolen money entering the US and Canada, unless they shipped cash in
luggages.
So I think, very likely, the preference of money launderer will not be
parked in Canada or US, but will be parked in Asia because it is more
convenience and many countries in Asia are third world condition with
easy and old and weak control systems in place.
How can you or anyone tell "stolen money" from "hard-earned money"?

Money is money is money...

I have a friend whose family came from China (man, wife and son) and
bought 3 houses here, and of course the U.S. gave them green cards
because they invested $500,000 in the U.S. which is the requirement
for green cards.
Zanzibar
2012-10-20 16:57:19 UTC
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Post by Zanzibar
Post by rst0
Post by Zanzibar
On Oct 19, 4:07 pm, "Hector  Fernandez who  made fake 100$ US  notes
in  Argentina , known  as the  Artist sold  10 million US$ fake notes
Post by Hector Fernandez who made fake 100$ US notes in Argentina , known as the Artist sold 10 million US$ fake notes to banks
Corrupted  officials   tended  to  stay  long because  they
have the  cash  to pay  off   other officials  who  might  report  on
them  ,
in the  same  ministry or in same  same  office .
it  takes  9  years  for  a  corrupted  official  to  be  dismissed ,
enough   time  to  make  adequate   Money  to  retired  with .
And enjoy the rest of his life in America or Canada.
Why only America or Canada?
The U.S and Canada are the haven of Chinese stolen money!!!!
But the thing is that the US and Canada had always been pretty advance
and strict in preventing laundry money from entering their country.
Their FBIs can catch anyone entering from abroad with stolen money. So
given their high tech control, it is impossible to have such entry of
stolen money entering the US and Canada, unless they shipped cash in
luggages.
So I think, very likely, the preference of money launderer will not be
parked in Canada or US, but will be parked in Asia because it is more
convenience and many countries in Asia are third world condition with
easy and old and weak control systems in place.
How can you or anyone tell "stolen money" from "hard-earned money"?
Money is money is money...
I have a friend whose family came from China (man, wife and son) and
bought 3 houses here, and of course the U.S. gave them green cards
because they invested $500,000 in the U.S. which is the requirement
for green cards.
It is.not easy to know the difference of the two. Also they do not
normally ask them what kind of jobs they worked back in China, and how
they
had got so much money. So if the money is remitted to US from China,
and China has no questions for them, then they are supposed to be
clean in the US and Canada.
rst0
2012-10-21 03:07:14 UTC
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Post by Zanzibar
Post by rst0
Post by Zanzibar
On Oct 19, 4:07 pm, "Hector  Fernandez who  made fake 100$ US  notes
in  Argentina , known  as the  Artist sold  10 million US$ fake notes
Post by Hector Fernandez who made fake 100$ US notes in Argentina , known as the Artist sold 10 million US$ fake notes to banks
Corrupted  officials   tended  to  stay  long because  they
have the  cash  to pay  off   other officials  who  might  report  on
them  ,
in the  same  ministry or in same  same  office .
it  takes  9  years  for  a  corrupted  official  to  be  dismissed ,
enough   time  to  make  adequate   Money  to  retired  with .
And enjoy the rest of his life in America or Canada.
Why only America or Canada?
The U.S and Canada are the haven of Chinese stolen money!!!!
But the thing is that the US and Canada had always been pretty advance
and strict in preventing laundry money from entering their country.
Their FBIs can catch anyone entering from abroad with stolen money. So
given their high tech control, it is impossible to have such entry of
stolen money entering the US and Canada, unless they shipped cash in
luggages.
So I think, very likely, the preference of money launderer will not be
parked in Canada or US, but will be parked in Asia because it is more
convenience and many countries in Asia are third world condition with
easy and old and weak control systems in place.
How can you or anyone tell "stolen money" from "hard-earned money"?
Money is money is money...
I have a friend whose family came from China (man, wife and son) and
bought 3 houses here, and of course the U.S. gave them green cards
because they invested $500,000 in the U.S. which is the requirement
for green cards.
It is.not easy to know the difference of the two.  Also they do not
normally ask them what kind of jobs they worked back in China, and how
they
had got so much money. So if the money is remitted to US from China,
and China has no questions for them, then they are supposed to be
clean in the US and Canada.
Banks have offices in China. They can deposit the money in China, and
withdeaw them in the U.S.

Zanzibar
2012-10-20 17:00:50 UTC
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On Oct 20, 7:07 am, "Hector Fernandez who made fake 100$ US notes
in Argentina , known as the Artist sold 10 million US$ fake notes
Post by Hector Fernandez who made fake 100$ US notes in Argentina , known as the Artist sold 10 million US$ fake notes to banks
interesting reading
Corrupted  officials   tended  to  stay  long because  they
have the  cash  to pay  off   other officials  who  might  report  on
them  ,
in the  same  ministry or in same  same  office .
it  takes  9  years  for  a  corrupted  official  to  be  dismissed ,
enough   time  to  make  adequate   Money  to  retired  with .
Survey says 80% officials promoted during corrupt office term
2012-10-19 03:57:11 GMT2012-10-19 11:57:11(Beijing Time)  SINA.com
By Zhao Wei, Sina Englishhttp://english.sina.com/china/2012/1018/517944.html
After sampling provincial and ministerial level officials who were
dismissed from their post in the last decade, a study finds 80% of
them were still promoted after the first corruption case.
Most of corruption cases occurred in the fields of economy and
politics, selling and buying official positions as the main corruption
in the political field alone, according to an investigation by Tu
Qian, a master degree student of Institute of Contemporary Chinese
Politics, Shenzhen University.
The 72 sample cases have been covered by the mainstream media and
other government documents, such as People's Daily Online, Xinhua.net,
etc., as well as the Annual Work Report of China's Supreme People's
Procuratorate, Annual Work Report of the Supreme People's Court, and
public information of all levels of discipline inspection.
According to Tu's study, most of the corrupt officials, or about 70%,
are of vice-ministerial level. Among them, 31 officials were at age of
56 to 62 when they were checked and punished, accounting for 43.1%,
while 19 officials were at age of 49 to 55.
By analyzing 55 sample cases that can trace the time span for
corruption, it was found that 21 case have a time span of over 10
years, which takes up 38%, and 25 cases have a corruption time span
from 5 to 9 years, accounting for 16%.
The average time span of corrupt office is 8.5 years, which means
their first corruption case was not revealed until almost 9 years
later.
They stayed long partly because they want to earn more as they have a
lot of opportunately to milk longer from the system. If they can take
care
of each other, they can have a bright future to the country..
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