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SO WHAT IS VIETNAMESE INTEREST ?
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john nguyen
2012-08-06 01:32:08 UTC
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SO WHAT IS VIETNAMESE INTEREST ?

The permanent interest of Vietnam is:
to be independent, i.e., to choose its own path to happiness , her
own friends and her own enemy, to preserve the territorial integrity
on land and on seas as determined by the United Nations Laws of the
Seas (UNCLOS) of 1982 signed both by Vietnam and China along with
about 200 more countries.

Vietnam shared land borders with Cambodia, Laos and China.
Negotiation on land had been conducted successfully for 10 years
1990-2000 with all three countries resulting in borders essentially
the same as that left by the French, circa 1945. With Cambodia and
Laos which were a colony of France like Vietnam, France of course had
a final say on all matters concerning borders and frontiers.

Vietnam should be satisfied with the results of negotiation including
those with China and including the results obtained in the partition
of the Gulf of Tongking with China which divided the gulf about 50 :
50 in accordance with the United Nations Law of the Seas (Area of the
Gulf conferred to a country should be proportional the length of its
coastline bordering the Gulf).
This results corrected an injustice to China as a result of the Treaty
of Tientsin which was imposed on China after France Victory over the
Chinese Fleet in Taiwan conferring about 75% of the Gulf of Tongking
to Vietnam while the coastal length of Vietnam bordering the Gulf is
equal to that of China.

The Core interest of Vietnam in the East Sea or Sea of Vietnam is all
of the economic rights conferred to her by the United Nations Law of
the Sea of 1982 concerning her exclusive economical zone . Vietnam
had occupied the islands in Archipelago of Paracelses (Hoang Sa) and
Spratley (Truong Sa) since the 16th Century .. China attacked the
Paracelses in 1974 and took a few large islands occupied by the
Vietnamese since the 19th century. Taiwan had the largest island in
the Paracelses it occupied in the 1960s. But according to UNCLOS,
islands which are not continuously occupied and are more or less self
sufficient in food and water do not have exclusive economic zone .
Vietnam should abide by this clause. It is very difficult to see how
China can share in the Economic Zone in the East Sea except for the
economic zone conferred to it by the Island of Hainan.
Satish
2012-08-06 01:43:27 UTC
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Post by john nguyen
It is very difficult to see how
China can share in the Economic Zone in the East Sea  except for the
economic zone conferred to it by the Island of Hainan.
Beijing bandit regime's lust for raw materials has fueled its colonial
agenda. In this, it is behaving exactly as the Tojo regime had during
the WW II era.

The Pacific nations are all aware that imperialist China has come to
believe like rstx that "Today, it's all about military power, the only
thing counts." In 1979, the CCP dictatorship under Deng Xiaoping's
helmsmanship caused the death of nearly 150,000 human soldiers just to
"teach Vietnam a lesson". It is another matter that a significant
proportion of the dead were Chinese soldiers. But that mattered very
little to lull the blood-lust of the CCP dictatorship in Beijing.


In fact, China's small neighbors thank USA for the fact that China
hasn't dared since 1979 to launch a bloody invasion to teach any of
its small neighbors a lesson. As far as the Pacific nations are
concerned, it is the USA that is providing a shield against the blood
lust of the CCP dictatorship.


As far as the Pacific countries (Japan, Korea, Taiwan, the
Philippines, Vietnam, Brunei, Malaysia, Indonesia, Australia, New
Zealand etc.) are concerned, it is the CCP dictatorship in Beijing
that is the greatest menace to world peace.


The Munich agreement gave in to Nazi regime's demand for Sudetenland.
But this only whetted the Nazi regime's addiction to aggrandizement.
The Nazi regime went on to lay claims on Austria and then to Poland
and then to Russia and France and then to the whole world.

The Beijing bandit regime's imperialist agenda is expanding
exponentially. Now it is disputing Japan's sovereignty over Okinawa on
the basis of Okinawa's tributary relationship with China some 500
years ago. The CCP dictatorship in Beijing is becoming as much a
menace to world peace as the Tojo regime and the Hitler regime were in
their days:

**************


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/oct/26/inside-china-436801701/?page=all#pagebreak


Threat against ‘little countries’
By Miles Yu
***@gmail.com


China’s official communist newspaper, the Global Times, published a
chilling editorial warning several “little countries” that are
disputing China’s maritime claims in the South China Sea, notably the
Philippines and Vietnam, to “get ready to hear the sound of gunfire.”


Headlined “China Cannot Resort Only to Negotiations Over Maritime
Conflicts, We Must Kill One to Deter One Hundred If Necessary,” the
editorial published Tuesday asked, in a tone of condescension, where
these “little neighboring countries” got the nerve to challenge China.
It called such challenges an “opportunistic strategic offensive
launched by little countries against a big country.”


The newspaper further threatened that the game these countries play
against China would not be easy to win because “China possesses the
force to end such game anytime.”


The report said any fear of a naval war is unnecessary because the
Chinese public had been psychologically getting used to such a naval
conflagration in recent years.


According to the newspaper, the root cause of China’s trouble with
these “little countries” is the United States. “At present various
disputants behave with imperial swagger [against China],” the
commentary said, “as if with the support from the United States, they
all had the force and capabilities to subjugate China.”


The newspaper used the phrase “bodies of waters in East Asia” to
include areas other than the South China Sea where China has
territorial disputes — a clear reference to South Korea and Japan.


Since April 2010, China began deliberately sending regular fishing
fleets accompanied by official government escort ships to disputed
areas of the Spratly’s Island, Senkaku islands, the Korean littoral
area and other murky waters.


These China fishing and escort ships routinely clash with other
nations’ naval patrol ships, including incidents with the Philippine
navy, the South Korean navy and the Japanese coastal patrol vessels
just within the past week, dramatically escalating tensions with
several “little countries.”


Underground Great Wall


The U.S. government this week announced that it had dismantled and
destroyed the last and the largest Cold War-era nuclear weapon, the
B53 gravity bomb, in Amarillo, Texas.


Meanwhile, China is increasing its stockpile of nuclear weapons under
the rubric of a mammoth project called the Underground Great Wall that
includes a 3,000-mile-long subterranean tunnel system used to store
and operate the many thousands of China’s nuclear-carrying missiles.
The system is under the direct supervision of China’s strategic
missile forces known as the Second Artillery Corps.


First reported by the Chinese state television in March 2008 and
confirmed by the Chinese military a year later, the Underground Great
Wall runs several hundred feet below the ground, said James Holmes of
the U.S. Naval War College.


Mr. Holmes wrote in the Japanese-based electronic journal the Diplomat
in August that “the very scale of the underground network opens up new
vistas for Chinese nuclear strategy.”


On Tuesday, the Wall Street Journal quoted former Pentagon nuclear
weapons specialist Philip Karber as fundamentally challenging the
West’s conventional assumption about the size of China’s nuclear
stockpile, officially estimated to include several hundred warheads.


Mr. Karber said gauging the size of China’s nuclear arsenal is
difficult, but the Wall Street Journal article urged an immediate
reconsideration of the underestimated arsenal because “the alternative
is for China, steeped in a 2,500 year military tradition of
concealment, deception and surprise, to announce — at a time and in a
manner of its choosing — its supremacy in a field that we have
foolishly abandoned to our dreams.”


Anti-terrorism law proposed


China announced Monday that it would enact a sweeping law to combat
what the communist state would define as “terrorists” or “terrorist
acts.” These acts include creating public disorder and social panic,
causing public property damage and threatening government agencies.
The law would target international organizations and all others that
abet and finance such “terrorists” and “terrorist acts.”


Human rights activists and thousands of netizens immediately reacted
with anger and protest. Li Tiantian, a Shanghai-based human rights
lawyer, was quoted by overseas Chinese news media as saying: “This law
aims to protect the power structure of the state, to guarantee the
security, stability and power of the government. It is the same as
calling all actions jeopardizing the regime’s rule terrorism,
deserving suppression.”

*************



http://english.pravda.ru/world/asia/17-07-2012/121658-china_territorial_claims-0/

China has territorial claims to nearly 20 countries

17.07.2012

Chinese leader Mao Zedong not only built a strong country but also
outlined a global goal: "We must conquer the globe where we will
create a powerful state." Today, China has territorial claims to all
its neighbors. Naturally, the U.S. is dreaming of becoming a mediator
in resolving disputes in the region. But it seems that Beijing
absolutely does not care about their opinion.

Burma, Laos, Northern India, Vietnam, Nepal, Bhutan, Thailand,
Malaysia, Singapore, the Ryukyu Islands, 300 islands of the South
China, East China and Yellow Seas, as well as Kyrgyzstan, Mongolia,
Taiwan, South Kazakhstan, the Afghan province of Bahdashan,
Transbaikalia and the Far East to South Okhotsk - here is the complete
list of areas that, according to Zedong, were lost due to the fall of
the Qing empire. All of these countries and regions combined exceed
the territory of modern China. Not all complaints are voiced by the
Government of China in the international arena, but within the country
the imperialist ambitions have not been lost, but rather, are actively
promoted.

The PRC authorities talk out loud only about the areas that, at least
theoretically, can be taken away from Japan and Korea. Tokyo is
regularly frustrated not only because of the travel of the Russian
leaders to the Kuril Islands, but also about the Chinese ships freely
entering the disputed Senkaku Islands waters. Beijing believes that
the Islands are called Diaoyu, and they belonged to China, but the
malicious Japanese tricked the U.S. into giving them to Japan because
after World War II the uninhabited archipelago was in the US
jurisdiction.

Significant reserves of natural gas were found on the islands. For the
growing industry of China and stagnant Japan it is more than a serious
argument in favor of the struggle for the archipelago, no matter what
it is called. Not to mention the fish that is found there in large
quantities. To date, the only agreement the parties have reached in
the negotiations is on the joint development of oil fields. In
addition, if the Japanese behave more or less decently, the Chinese
are regularly caught for illegal fishing in the area.

Any territorial dispute, but rather, its resolution, is a serious
precedent. If China's claim in respect of at least one territory from
the list of the "lost" is satisfied, the Chinese machine would be
unstoppable. Despite the fact that the Chinese are very pleased to
partner with Russia and have always supported Russia in the UN
Security Council, in person, on the sidelines, its diplomats
supposedly jokingly hint to their Russian colleagues: you must
understand that soon you will have to share the Far East? China has
more than a billion people, while Russia's vast territory barely has
150 million.

These dangerous trends - demographic, and as a result, geopolitical -
must sound scary to the Russian government, but so far it seems that
it is happy with the fact that Beijing makes territorial claims only
to Seoul and Tokyo. In 2005 Russia had already given China a bounty in
the form of 337 square kilometers of land in the area of ​​Big Island
(upper Argun River in the Chita region) and two sites in the vicinity
of the islands Tarabarov and Big Ussuri near the confluence of the
Amur and Ussuri.

However, none of the leaders of the military departments of ASEAN that
includes all debating countries agree to recognize, for example, the
fact that Diaoyu belongs to Japan. Instead, the defense ministers of
Vietnam, Indonesia, Australia, Thailand and Singapore urged the
Japanese authorities to proceed with caution and within the framework
of the international law. These countries certainly do not need a
resolution to the dispute because in that case their territory will be
separated from China only by perseverance of the latter.

They are silent about the "Iodo island" (the Chinese version is
Suenchzhao. - Ed) in the East China Sea. The sneaky Chinese took the
principle of dividing the Arctic as an example and now claim that the
underwater ridge of this tiny piece of land is under close control of
the Chinese. Since the Iodo is closer to Korea, in 2003 the Koreans
built an uninhabitable marine research station there. From the
standpoint of the international law, this rock in general should not
be the subject of a debate.

In any case, the controversy continues, Japan and South Korea remain
to be supported by their all-time ally - the United States. For the
US, the unification of Southeast Asian Nations is a chance to save
their own economy, because in that case the World Trade Center will
move there, where currently there are no transnational corporations in
the amount sufficient for the U.S.

The success of the White House in the region does not depend on the
strength that America loves to show any chance it has, but rather,
diplomacy, as the countries of ASEAN and Asia-Pacific region do not
trust each other or anyone outside the regional boundaries. However,
Washington is trusted here because of the support of Seoul and Tokyo.
However, China has already pushed Japan out of the ranks of the
largest economies in the world, and the structure of the region is no
longer formed on spatial basis.

Therefore, territorial claims of China, and not Russia, India or, for
example, Australia are so important for Washington. Beijing is the
only capital of the world, ready to use force in the struggle for the
sake of expansion. During the last ten years, while America was
blowing up its financial bubble, China has not only developed the
industry, but also equipped its area of ​​interest with military
equipment. China has placed 38 new diesel and nuclear submarines in
the region, purchased four destroyers of class "Modern" from Russia
and built another dozen on its own, and has launched a network of
ground-based ballistic missiles to destroy naval targets.

Only one other country has done this before - the Soviet Union during
the "Cold War". It is no wonder that the Americans are very concerned
with the regular quarrels between China and its major allies.
Construction of a naval base on Hainan Island does not add confidence
to the U.S. The proximity to the Malacca Strait poses a threat to the
smooth supply of Washington's main allies in the region - Japan, South
Korea and Taiwan - this is the way the US sees the situation. The
American senators have already decided that such behavior is a threat
to Beijing's regional peace and stability, economic development and
even "food security". The international community is well aware what
usually follows such wording.

Ilona Raskolnikova

Pravda.Ru

*******************
Dai Li , the Himmler of China and the Head of the Bureau of investigation and Statistics ( Chinese CIA ) of the KMT
2012-08-08 02:52:13 UTC
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WE CHINESE shall take all ASEAN , All SOUTH CHINA SEA
whether you like or not ,




if you don 't believe this ?



take a look at Singapore , Malaysia , the Philippines,
Thailand , Myanmar .



we Chinese have 4 million Chinese in Singapore who are
identifying themselves as Singaporeans on the surface ,but
still 100% Chinese in Singapore below the surface .

we Chinese have 9 million Chinese in Malaysia who are
calling themselves as NEW Malaysians on the
surface but are still 100% PURE Chinese below the surface .

we have 10 million Chinese in the Philippines who are
calling themselves as Filipino on the surface , but
are still 100% PURE Chinese below the surface .


we have 9 million Chinese in Thailand who are calling
themselves as Thai by using Thai names
on the Surface,
but
are still 100% PURE Chinese below the surface .



we have several million Chinese in Myanmar because of our
KMT army in Shan state
and
in the future our further Chinese migrations into
Myanmar .


ASEAN 's destiny is CHINESE ,
ASEAN 's destiny will be CHINESE , CHINESE , NOTHING but
CHINESE .
Post by Satish
Post by john nguyen
It is very difficult to see how
China can share in the Economic Zone in the East Sea  except for the
economic zone conferred to it by the Island of Hainan.
Beijing bandit regime's lust for raw materials has fueled its colonial
agenda. In this, it is behaving exactly as the Tojo regime had during
the WW II era.
The Pacific nations are all aware that imperialist China has come to
believe like rstx that "Today, it's all about military power, the only
thing counts."  In 1979, the CCP dictatorship under Deng Xiaoping's
helmsmanship caused the death of nearly 150,000 human soldiers just to
"teach Vietnam a lesson". It is another matter that a significant
proportion of the dead were Chinese soldiers. But that mattered very
little to lull the blood-lust of the CCP dictatorship in Beijing.
In fact, China's small neighbors thank USA for the fact that  China
hasn't dared since 1979 to launch a bloody invasion to teach any of
its small neighbors a lesson. As far as the Pacific nations are
concerned, it is the USA that is providing a shield against the blood
lust of the CCP dictatorship.
As far as the Pacific countries (Japan, Korea, Taiwan, the
Philippines, Vietnam, Brunei, Malaysia, Indonesia, Australia, New
Zealand etc.) are concerned, it is the CCP dictatorship in Beijing
that is the greatest menace to world peace.
The Munich agreement gave in to Nazi regime's demand for Sudetenland.
But this only whetted the Nazi regime's addiction to aggrandizement.
The Nazi regime went on to lay claims on Austria and then to Poland
and then to Russia and France and then to the whole world.
The Beijing bandit regime's imperialist agenda is expanding
exponentially. Now it is disputing Japan's sovereignty over Okinawa on
the basis of Okinawa's tributary relationship with China some 500
years ago. The CCP dictatorship in Beijing is becoming as much a
menace to world peace as the Tojo regime and the Hitler regime were in
**************
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/oct/26/inside-china-43680170...
Threat against ‘little countries’
By Miles Yu
China’s official communist newspaper, the Global Times, published a
chilling editorial warning several “little countries” that are
disputing China’s maritime claims in the South China Sea, notably the
Philippines and Vietnam, to “get ready to hear the sound of gunfire.”
Headlined “China Cannot Resort Only to Negotiations Over Maritime
Conflicts, We Must Kill One to Deter One Hundred If Necessary,” the
editorial published Tuesday asked, in a tone of condescension, where
these “little neighboring countries” got the nerve to challenge China.
It called such challenges an “opportunistic strategic offensive
launched by little countries against a big country.”
The newspaper further threatened that the game these countries play
against China would not be easy to win because “China possesses the
force to end such game anytime.”
The report said any fear of a naval war is unnecessary because the
Chinese public had been psychologically getting used to such a naval
conflagration in recent years.
According to the newspaper, the root cause of China’s trouble with
these “little countries” is the United States. “At present various
disputants behave with imperial swagger [against China],” the
commentary said, “as if with the support from the United States, they
all had the force and capabilities to subjugate China.”
The newspaper used the phrase “bodies of waters in East Asia” to
include areas other than the South China Sea where China has
territorial disputes — a clear reference to South Korea and Japan.
Since April 2010, China began deliberately sending regular fishing
fleets accompanied by official government escort ships to disputed
areas of the Spratly’s Island, Senkaku islands, the Korean littoral
area and other murky waters.
These China fishing and escort ships routinely clash with other
nations’ naval patrol ships, including incidents with the Philippine
navy, the South Korean navy and the Japanese coastal patrol vessels
just within the past week, dramatically escalating tensions with
several “little countries.”
Underground Great Wall
The U.S. government this week announced that it had dismantled and
destroyed the last and the largest Cold War-era nuclear weapon, the
B53 gravity bomb, in Amarillo, Texas.
Meanwhile, China is increasing its stockpile of nuclear weapons under
the rubric of a mammoth project called the Underground Great Wall that
includes a 3,000-mile-long subterranean tunnel system used to store
and operate the many thousands of China’s nuclear-carrying missiles.
The system is under the direct supervision of China’s strategic
missile forces known as the Second Artillery Corps.
First reported by the Chinese state television in March 2008 and
confirmed by the Chinese military a year later, the Underground Great
Wall runs several hundred feet below the ground, said James Holmes of
the U.S. Naval War College.
Mr. Holmes wrote in the Japanese-based electronic journal the Diplomat
in August that “the very scale of the underground network opens up new
vistas for Chinese nuclear strategy.”
On Tuesday, the Wall Street Journal quoted former Pentagon nuclear
weapons specialist Philip Karber as fundamentally challenging the
West’s conventional assumption about the size of China’s nuclear
stockpile, officially estimated to include several hundred warheads.
Mr. Karber said gauging the size of China’s nuclear arsenal is
difficult, but the Wall Street Journal article urged an immediate
reconsideration of the underestimated arsenal because “the alternative
is for China, steeped in a 2,500 year military tradition of
concealment, deception and surprise, to announce — at a time and in a
manner of its choosing — its supremacy in a field that we have
foolishly abandoned to our dreams.”
Anti-terrorism law proposed
China announced Monday that it would enact a sweeping law to combat
what the communist state would define as “terrorists” or “terrorist
acts.” These acts include creating public disorder and social panic,
causing public property damage and threatening government agencies.
The law would target international organizations and all others that
abet and finance such “terrorists” and “terrorist acts.”
Human rights activists and thousands of netizens immediately reacted
with anger and protest. Li Tiantian, a Shanghai-based human rights
lawyer, was quoted by overseas Chinese news media as saying: “This law
aims to protect the power structure of the state, to guarantee the
security, stability and power of the government. It is the same as
calling all actions jeopardizing the regime’s rule terrorism,
deserving suppression.”
*************
http://english.pravda.ru/world/asia/17-07-2012/121658-china_territori...
China has territorial claims to nearly 20 countries
17.07.2012
Chinese leader Mao Zedong not only built a strong country but also
outlined a global goal: "We must conquer the globe where we will
create a powerful state." Today, China has territorial claims to all
its neighbors. Naturally, the U.S. is dreaming of becoming a mediator
in resolving disputes in the region. But it seems that Beijing
absolutely does not care about their opinion.
Burma, Laos, Northern India, Vietnam, Nepal, Bhutan, Thailand,
Malaysia, Singapore, the Ryukyu Islands, 300 islands of the South
China, East China and Yellow Seas, as well as Kyrgyzstan, Mongolia,
Taiwan, South Kazakhstan, the Afghan province of Bahdashan,
Transbaikalia and the Far East to South Okhotsk - here is the complete
list of areas that, according to Zedong, were lost due to the fall of
the Qing empire. All of these countries and regions combined exceed
the territory of modern China. Not all complaints are voiced by the
Government of China in the international arena, but within the country
the imperialist ambitions have not been lost, but rather, are actively
promoted.
The PRC authorities talk out loud only about the areas that, at least
theoretically, can be taken away from Japan and Korea. Tokyo is
regularly frustrated not only because of the travel of the Russian
leaders to the Kuril Islands, but also about the Chinese ships freely
entering the disputed Senkaku Islands waters. Beijing believes that
the Islands are called Diaoyu, and they belonged to China, but the
malicious Japanese tricked the U.S. into giving them to Japan because
after World War II the uninhabited archipelago was in the US
jurisdiction.
Significant reserves of natural gas were found on the islands. For the
growing industry of China and stagnant Japan it is more than a serious
argument in favor of the struggle for the archipelago, no matter what
it is called. Not to mention the fish that is found there in large
quantities. To date, the only agreement the parties have reached in
the negotiations is on the joint development of oil fields. In
addition, if the Japanese behave more or less decently, the Chinese
are regularly caught for illegal fishing in the area.
Any territorial dispute, but rather, its resolution, is a serious
precedent. If China's claim in respect of at least one territory from
the list of the "lost" is satisfied, the Chinese machine would be
unstoppable. Despite the fact that the Chinese are very pleased to
partner with Russia and have always supported Russia in the UN
Security Council, in person, on the sidelines, its diplomats
supposedly jokingly hint to their Russian colleagues: you must
understand that soon you will have to share the Far East? China has
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